The God Debate II: Harris vs. Craig
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The second annual God Debate features atheist neuroscientist Sam Harris and Evangelical Christian apologist William Lane Craig as they debate the topic: "Is Good From God?" The debate was sponsored in large part by the Notre Dame College of Arts and Letters: The Henkels Lecturer Series, The Center for Philosophy of Religion and the Institute for Scholarship in the Liberal Arts.

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  • David Thurman
    David Thurman

    Let's see lang is an asperger idiot so beating up on an idiot has zero meaning actually. Lang's school is a bs school it's total nonsense.

  • Just Joy
    Just Joy

    Why don't we ever ask does Satan exists? That's easy, just look around.

  • EF ANDMK
    EF ANDMK

    No objective morality outside of God? I've got news. The Buddha preceded Christ by nearly a thousand years. The morality taught by Jesus is suspiciously similar to the moral teaching of the Buddha. Buddhism is not a religion and has never been considered one. It is an atheistic philosophy, based not on good and evil, but on positivity and negativity. You get back what you put out there. Karma. Or as the Bible says, you reap what you sow. In Christianity, abortion is considered to be a sin against God, therefore evil. Abortion is considered to be a negative thing in Buddhism, because it is an act of violence. Period.

    • vickers4444
      vickers4444

      I think Craig would say in this case Buddhists are living absurd lives because they have no transcendent foundation for their morality (as he does with Atheists). Unless Buddha himself is this transcendent foundation (aka God). Then it sounds like he'd agree with this idea.

  • Tia Ryan
    Tia Ryan

    I will never understand the argument that "if there's no god, then there's no objective morality"

    • Dude Slick
      Dude Slick

      I can clear that up for you. Get a dictionary and look up objectivity. You're welcome.

  • vickers4444
    vickers4444

    Sathya Sai Baba died 12 days after this debate. 1:48:11

  • Saoirse Eireann
    Saoirse Eireann

    Typical atheist, talking through his backside 🙄🍀🇮🇪

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      @Saoirse Eireann So you have NO examples, then. Thought so!

    • Saoirse Eireann
      Saoirse Eireann

      @Oldtinear If you had to ask, you're as bad as him!

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      Example, please!

  • вы не понимаю
    вы не понимаю

    Just remember guys, the fact that it’s up for debate is because we don’t know yet. Facts aren’t debatable, but opinions are. So to those who think anyone could’ve “won”, rethink that.

    • GaMiNg CiRcUs
      GaMiNg CiRcUs

      Agree🔥

    • Dash gamer159
      Dash gamer159

      It's sad that I've only seen one comment saying this after I watch 3 other videos similar to this.

  • Blue Ocean
    Blue Ocean

    Which God Craig is referring to and how come that God is not here making it clear?

    • Dash gamer159
      Dash gamer159

      He is referring to the Christian god.

  • Mansoor Ahmad
    Mansoor Ahmad

    Allah (Creator) is One, who has no partner. Only the Creator must be worshiped, no else beside him.

    • S
      S

      Prove it.

  • Fernando Mansilla
    Fernando Mansilla

    1:25:10 mindblow

  • Niccolo Canziani
    Niccolo Canziani

    Craig still doesn't know what atheism is. He continues to assert that it's a belief system. He is either a moron (doubt it) or intentionally deceitful (quite likely).

    • TheLegendOfRandy
      TheLegendOfRandy

      He _knows._ There is no way he's not being deliberately _dishonest_ by this point. Sean Carrol put Craig in his place _years_ ago, but Craig isn't interested in _truth._

  • Torus 1111
    Torus 1111

    Question: 1. How many people were killed/murdered in the command of the biblical "vengeance" god according to the bible? 2. The biblical history of creation is about 5000 years old, the fact is the discovery of Göbekli Tepe civilisation is at least 10,000 years old. 3. God was perfectly OK with Cain killed his own brother Abel. Let that sink in..... 😉

    • Saoirse Eireann
      Saoirse Eireann

      Cain was punished by God, he was condemned to a life of wandering? Able was saved, nobody dies who obeys the Father's commandments! Next....

    • Saoirse Eireann
      Saoirse Eireann

      Answer question 2 And dinosaurs are millions years old, what's your point. We're from the creation of Adam and Eve not other prehistoric life form..

    • Saoirse Eireann
      Saoirse Eireann

      Answer question 1. People are only human when they're civilized, God is the creator. free will his great gift to you, if you choose evil you choose your eternal destruction, no one to blame but yourself.

  • Aldo Medina
    Aldo Medina

    IDK raza, I listen to Harris and it sounds like he's just talking in circles

  • B3 Training KC
    B3 Training KC

    Damn apparently you don't have to be smart to get into Notre Dame most of those questions sounded like they were from homeless crackheads who couldn't get their GED's

  • Dod
    Dod

    Theology, religiously damaged version of philosophy

  • fua faatiga
    fua faatiga

    WAR READY,,,GODS PEOPLE WORSHIP ON SABBATH,,,,,VS,,,,,,DRAGON PEOPLE WORSHIP ON SUNDAY, JESUS WORSHIP ON SABBATH,,,LUKE,4,16,

  • fua faatiga
    fua faatiga

    MARK FOR GODS PEOPLE,,,,EZEKIEL,,20,20, JESUS WORSHIP ON SABBATH TO GODS,,,LUKE,,4,16,, LUKE,,16,17, ROMA,,7,12,25, ISAIAH,,42, 21, 1,JOHN,2,4,5, REVELATION,14,12,

  • Archangel Metatron
    Archangel Metatron

    God is the singularity responsible for the Big bang and according to the laws of conservation that means the singularity had to have been equal to or greater than all of the mass energy and information/intelligence in the universe past present and future combined. and since things are neither created or destroyed only transferred or transformed this means that God became the universe. God is everything everywhere. God is omnipresent omnipotent and omniscient.

    • Archangel Metatron
      Archangel Metatron

      @S what parts of the Bible do you need evidence for what parts of God do you need evidence for? God is logic. Quantum information is logic. We were made like God. The logos. The first and the last the beginning and the end. Did you ever wonder where God came from? Unfortunately we think of time as being linear because we go from birth to death in a straight line. But time is actually a loop. There's a reason why the symbol for infinity happens to be a sideways figure 8. It has no beginning and no end. Or I should say the beginning is the end and the end is the beginning. Hopefully that clarifies it for you.

    • Archangel Metatron
      Archangel Metatron

      @S then your science denier. If you believe that everything came from nothing then you believe in magic which makes you a science denier because we have laws of physics that have never been broken. You might want to take a class or 100. As for the day when religious people stop saying things to atheists, atheists get left on Earth anyway. This planet gets bombarded by asteroids a third of the trees grass ocean life are destroyed and then another asteroid comes along and makes what is called the bottomless pit. You'll get to stay on this Earth that'll have no oceans for eternity. Most people including Christians get to stay here on Earth while the best of humanity gets to go to a new Earth. This Earth will be hell. Heaven is what comes after we leave this planet. Everybody gets to live forever it's just a matter of where.

    • Archangel Metatron
      Archangel Metatron

      @S the post you're responding to. It's called The Atheist Slayer theorem.

    • S
      S

      @Archangel Metatron I have no idea what the point of your last comment is.

    • S
      S

      @Archangel Metatron What theorem? Huh?

  • J. Ringo
    J. Ringo

    If god is omnibenevolent why did he kill or condone the killing of over 2,033,000 in the Bible not counting the impossible Noah’s flood genocide that killed in the second most horrible way to die…drowning…all the living things not on the boat. I would change omnibenevolent to omnimaniacal.

    • J. Ringo
      J. Ringo

      @Joshua Gutenberg “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him” (John 1:18) so there’s one of 1100+ contradictions in your Bible. That was a very nice “sun” diatribe. But I don’t understand your not understanding the question. It’s very simple. Show me in the Bible where it says the sun goes at night. Or if that’s too tough for you show me where rain comes from in the Bible? Question 2: is your god a loving god? Yes or no.

    • Joshua Gutenberg
      Joshua Gutenberg

      @J. Ringo Hi Ringo, I still don't understand your comment about the sun, I would like to. Actually the Bible does speak clearly and scientifically about the sun. More about that at the end. The answer to your question is YES. Moses saw God Exodus 33:11"Inside the Tent of Meeting, the LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Afterward Moses would return to the camp, but the young man who assisted him, Joshua son of Nun, would remain behind in the Tent of Meeting." Jesus was seen by thousands, and his 12 disciples were executed and all they had to do to avoid execution was to deny that Jesus was God - and all of them refused. It would make more sense for them to lie - unless they knew He was God based on what they saw, being executed in front of them and then being raised from the dead. Now about the sun... The book of Job 31:26 says "If I have observed the sun when it shines, Or the moon moving in brightness," the Bible is specifically stating the sun shines (but the moon is "bright" due to the fact it does not have the ability to shine)

    • J. Ringo
      J. Ringo

      @Joshua Gutenberg you didn’t read that because it’s not in your Bible because your god didn’t deem it necessary to educate humans of the world they live in…keep em stupid so you can brainwash them. I have one question: has any human ever seen your god face to face? Yes or no.

    • Joshua Gutenberg
      Joshua Gutenberg

      @J. Ringo Interesting. I have read Bible cover to cover, and I have never come across a verse suggesting they didn't know. Could you tell me what verse that is?

    • J. Ringo
      J. Ringo

      So a book written by a bunch of guys who didn’t know where the sun goes at night MUST have all the answers...very naive!

  • William Liu
    William Liu

    I’m an hour in and as a non-Christian, I have to say I’m more impressed by Craig than Harris. Craig actually tackles Harris’ points head-on and makes some pretty rigorous and cogent counter-arguments. Harris is appealing to dismissive anecdotes and not really addressing Craig’s arguments.

    • Astral Dreamhead
      Astral Dreamhead

      Are we watching the same debate? Craigs arguments for moral objectivism is that it was ordered by god via his commandments, Harris' counter argument is that objective morality needs no such foundation, and that the commandments are not in any way objective, and hardly moral. That was the entire argument. Craig provided interesting points that counter how harris defines moral, objectivity etc, harris provided points that objectively* disprove craigs assumptions about ontological morality, and further goes to show that such claims cannot be founded upon the evidence craig is offering, namely scripture.

  • Kriegsgefangener31
    Kriegsgefangener31

    The most important word Dr Craig uses in this whole debate is "IF". He argues his position(s) from the point "IF god exists, then.......blah, blah. However, if he's so confident of his god's existence, he should be able to state "because god exists......blah, blah". It's a dead giveaway, because if he went there, he'd be forced to admit that he's incapable of proving the existence of any such entity. From there it's a short step to seeing that he's arguing upon an incoherent basis.

  • Knight Bane
    Knight Bane

    So is the pro relgion guy arguimg for might equals right?

    • Jay W
      Jay W

      He's arguing that God is the epitome of good by definition and that is why his word is the basis for what is good. Even though the God he sees as the epitome of good is demonstrably not good in the only source that claims to be his word...and god, specifically the Christian one,, somehow must be our foundation for morality because his understanding of atheism doesn't give a basis for morality that he can recognize. It's such bad thinking in so many ways. I don't think it's quite correct to say he's arguing might equals right, but what he is arguing is arguably less sound of a perspective than that. If he truly believed that a God exists that is the epitome of good and that is the basis for morality, he wouldn't be a Christian, since that supposed God is anything but good.

    • Lucalina Dreemur
      Lucalina Dreemur

      Essentially, yes

  • Night Life
    Night Life

    Once you realize the bible is fake then god is also fake.

  • Hoppy Spadge
    Hoppy Spadge

    William Lane Craig rips Harris to shreds.

  • Kamran Haider
    Kamran Haider

    Where is part 1

  • Old Skeptic
    Old Skeptic

    ... " I've tried to give you bases.."... you can not sum it up better than that...

  • My Human Experience
    My Human Experience

    Usually the defender of faith loses credibility just by the amount of sense they attempt to make out of non-sense.

  • John Cage
    John Cage

    So said the fool in his heart there is no God

    • Jay W
      Jay W

      So said the really old book along with "don't mix fabrics".

    • S
      S

      @John Cage Wow. That's a word salad if I've ever seen one. You know there's a linguistic tool you can use called punctuation, right?

    • John Cage
      John Cage

      @David kirba if you want a proof I'll give it to you ,only if you proof me that you have thoughts and feelings and than show it to me so I can see it and touch it feel it and then I'll proof you that God who created you and this whole universe including ur thoughts and feelings and dreams that you have so I can see it and observe it n touch it the ones you can't proof that you have and show it but yet you know %1000000000000 that you have it n no one can tell you otherwise n some will say proof me that you have dreams so I can see it n touch it and show me your feeling I have see it ,just like some fools asking for a proof of God and yet are so blind and so lazy to see God in it but see it otherwise n say God doesn't exist kz in reality deep down they know that they are fools and trying to justify them self's n the story they believe are so foolish like universe is so smart to create n eye just one eye only one eye , it's so complex only a fool will say that the design we have so perfect came to existence by it self, So give me a proof that dreams,feelings,thoughts that you have exist so I can test it and touch it

    • David kirba
      David kirba

      Where is the proof

  • Tony DC
    Tony DC

    Oh those old debates. Harris offered no defence of his position. It’s not surprising his friends warned “Please don’t blow it”

    • Tony DC
      Tony DC

      @Oldtinear Coming from the grumpy stone thrower who spoke of having a convo and talking about ideas. No one playing games here. You don’t want to answer any questions then the door is 👈 way

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      @Tony DC Another completely vacuous post from you. If you think you have a point, just get on and make it. I am not playing your silly question and answer games.

    • Tony DC
      Tony DC

      @Oldtinear Ahh you’re asking for verses now! Could this be progress? You’re right I am “sniggering” at your expected intellect and insight. You consistently illustrate the atheist mind and the lack of thinking needed. Offering verses to an already distorted but adamant mind makes life hard. No, the way is to expose the stupidity of your thought process which you’ve made easy. When an individual is brainwashed it’s key to expose the lie. Let’s take this step by step..baby steps. We need to expose the deficiencies of atheistic motivated thinking. Slavery So you said God endorses “slavery”. You’ve quoted Lev 25:44-46. Great. I agree. Can you define “slavery” and as being wrong In what you’ve quoted? Exodus 21 will be out next topic so don’t run on me. WHEN you realise the stupidity of your reading I would like you to acknowledge it. But slavery..go for it please.. 👂

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      @Tony DC Thank you for another content-free reply. You boast of your scripture knowledge and sneer at mine, but you never quote any scripture, not engage in any discussion of it. We are to take your superior understanding on trust. Either that or question whether it exists at all. Here is God's holy word endorsing slavery: Leviticus 25:44-46 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have-you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you. Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of their families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession. You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves. Exodus 21:20-21 If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property.

    • Tony DC
      Tony DC

      @Oldtinear “Endorses slavery”??? Please elaborate…I’m the student here.

  • Þór Jóhannesson
    Þór Jóhannesson

    There not even listening and countering the others argument

  • The_ Phenomenal
    The_ Phenomenal

    Sam harris always brilliant

    • scot williams
      scot williams

      Looks l

  • Bree Topkuschi
    Bree Topkuschi

    If you’re an atheist, annoyed by the amount of comments saying the god guy won, just remember that most often, christians seek out these debates because they want to crush atheism. It’s much less a part of an atheist’s goal too crush a specific religious view, because, we’re done with that. This is a super generalized statement but you get it

    • Bree Topkuschi
      Bree Topkuschi

      @ZeJo gotcha. Well enjoy, if you haven’t finished the vid

    • ZeJo
      ZeJo

      @Bree Topkuschi well nvm then, i just misinterpreted what you said

    • Bree Topkuschi
      Bree Topkuschi

      @ZeJo I said that christians have more motivation to watch this than atheists do, because often atheists just no longer care to annoy themselves with this kind of thing. Christians will often try to get some arguments they can use themselves from debates like this. I used to be a Christian, and that’s what I did. Maybe not the same for you, but read what I had written in its entirety

    • ZeJo
      ZeJo

      ​@Bree Topkuschi did you not say that christians are the ones trying to crush atheism?

    • Bree Topkuschi
      Bree Topkuschi

      @ZeJo yep it is. But that has nothing to do with the point I made

  • Jason Smith
    Jason Smith

    Mr Craig is obviously a very intelligent man. Such a pity he wasted his life worshiping and defending a being that doesn’t exist based on a book written 3000 years ago by fearful ignorant men in the Middle East. He could have been an amazing doctor or lawyer doing proper good.

  • Ray Lanthier
    Ray Lanthier

    What nonsense. Objective reality can't exist without a personal god? Pure philosophical presumption. Read Plato.

  • Baca Brother
    Baca Brother

    It's embarrassing how Craig defeats him

    • Nick Jones
      Nick Jones

      @Baca Brother @Baca Brother ERRR nope a typical atheist like me is someone who asks for credible evidence and sees that you can't provide any and whilst doing so sees the blatant dishonesty and moral bankruptcy of Jesus followers.......as you've demonstrated! And now we have a further admission. I.e. you make totally baseless ASSERTIONS that you can't back up and don't even READ THE REBUTTAL that rips it to shreds! It seems my observation that you're dishonest AND ILL educated is once again confirmed! No wonder you're convinced by a pitiful charletan like little Willy Craig! So you lose on all positions don't you! Now little boy.....do you have a single scrap of credible evidence of the God you childishly claim? If you ignore the question I'll take it as TACIT ADMISSION that you can't!

    • Baca Brother
      Baca Brother

      @Nick Jones typical atheist the only thing you can do is attack people lol what makes you think I read your diatribe

    • Nick Jones
      Nick Jones

      @Baca Brother Lol I see the reason you're a xhristian is due to a lack of education an inability to read and a complete lack of comprehension skills. Clearly you're DONE on the first point. As for being a child, ARNT you the one who still believes in the equivalent of fairies at the bottom of the garden and can't provide EVEN the tinniest scrap of credible evidence? That is YOU isn't it? So clearly the CHILD is YOU isn't it?

    • Baca Brother
      Baca Brother

      @Nick Jones he lost the argument because of the look on his face LOL

    • Nick Jones
      Nick Jones

      @Baca Brother YEP.....Are you so childish that you don't grasp the reason he looked ashamed and embarrassed was because he'd lost the debate spectacularly specifically BY THE ARGUMENTS AND by being proven to be breathtakingly dishonest? As for being a child, ARNT you the one who still believes in the equivalent of fairies at the bottom of the garden and can't provide EVEN the tinniest scrap of credible evidence? That is YOU isn't it? So clearly the CHILD is YOU isn't it?

  • McconnellRet
    McconnellRet

    2:00:32 Atheist phenotype

  • Jose Cano
    Jose Cano

    Craig! Your a moron. i know your reading this

    • Jose Cano
      Jose Cano

      @Oldtinear thank you. I can be a moron to👍

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      @Jose Cano 'Your' should be 'You're'.

    • Jose Cano
      Jose Cano

      @Oldtinear wi all r. But some of us are scared to admit it

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      You're

  • Jose Cano
    Jose Cano

    Ummm, Craig said what????

  • Evergreen93
    Evergreen93

    Sam's argument about God not creating water with oxygen just because the bible doesn't go into explicit detail about it is a complete fallacy. That's terrible evidence against creation.

    • Dewyu Nohmi
      Dewyu Nohmi

      What is that fallacy?

  • Colin Fielder
    Colin Fielder

    If you're given the choice of burning in hell for eternity over living in heaven for eternity why wouldn't you opt for the later if all you have to do is ask for forgiveness for all your sins, this doesn't make you a more morally better person but rather hopeful.

    • S
      S

      No need to worry or think about hells or heavens in the absence of any evidence.

    • ZeJo
      ZeJo

      yeah but hell isnt real so we dont have to pray for our sins

  • Joey T
    Joey T

    Harris won that one.. And did a good job of establishing what we mean when we use language, and how we use layering of presuppositions to arrive at juxtaposed definitions.

    • Dewyu Nohmi
      Dewyu Nohmi

      How can you ever convey to the unchangeable an idea such as: *Everything we do will be based on prior context, including our choosing not to choose.*

    • Dewyu Nohmi
      Dewyu Nohmi

      Just as I suspected... >___>'

    • Joey T
      Joey T

      @Oldtinear nah I'm done. Have a good day though!

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      @Joey T Please give an example of ''the use of layering presuppositions' Please give an example of 'juxtaposed definitions'.

    • Joey T
      Joey T

      @Oldtinearaka: you not seeing the meaning is fine

  • McconnellRet
    McconnellRet

    Craig won for sure.

  • Gerhard Siemens
    Gerhard Siemens

    Believing in something means believing in a virtual reality. There is absolutely no need to search truth in a virtual idea. A long time ago people sat around a campfire and the greatest narrator among them explained to his listeners, how everything came about. That's when people started using VR. VR is not a modern invention. He had absolutely no idea about science, but his fantasy was infinite, just like the universe. There has been a great desire for this explanation since the awakening of the human spirit. That was the time of the awakening of many religions. These originated all over the world. It was like the need for air, water and food. And that hunger had to be satisfied. Religion became lived VR. Religion is lived science fiction. It's not necessary to seek any truth in it or to prove that any belief is true. Everyone on this planet has the opportunity to create any VR and I swear to you, everyone will find apologists, who then believe in this VR. It is nonsense to search for truth in a VR. Nobody has to prove that only his belief is correct and true. It´s all VR. Humans created the idea of heaven and hell to cow simple-minded people into compliance. They are lies. S3.Ep4: The Mother of Exiles

  • Religion is Poisonous
    Religion is Poisonous

    WE HAVE HAD SOME OF YOUR CHRISTIAN MORALITY !!! - have you forgotten, the Crusades, the inquisitions, the complicity of the church in the Holocaust, genocide in Africa which was aggregated and encouraged by Bishops of the Catholic Church, plus sins committed against Jews, heretics, atheists, homosexuals, women, Gypsies and native peoples. In 2000 the then Pope apologised for these ‘sins’ plus 2000 years of hate, murder, and persecution! * May he and his ilk rot in hell.

  • Religion is Poisonous
    Religion is Poisonous

    Craig really does talk crap! I am an ageing anti-theist, since about 12 years old, and I don’t need obscene old books to tell me what is good and bad! People are far more moral than the obscene Bronze Age books which they follow!

  • Travis Kline
    Travis Kline

    In my opinion I don't believe the moral argument is a strong one. I can see where it would be reasonable to say that morals come from a species will to adapt and survive in a successful manner. If we didn't believe in morals we wouldn't be all that successful in survival at all. So it sounds weak to argue the point I believe.

  • Dewyu Nohmi
    Dewyu Nohmi

    If god was real, it would be visiting us when it is lucid dreaming, and we would see magical craziness. Which we do not see happening.

    • Dewyu Nohmi
      Dewyu Nohmi

      @Neil Kelly Doesn't have to be lucid. I should be more clear. Basically if we all live within a mind of another living animal of some kind, we would see dream like things occurring every now and then. But even then, even this is was true, science would not be rendered useless. Within the context of the subconscious of that animal, it would be pretty coherent as long as it has a healthy mind and body. Our beliefs still wouldn't be able to alter its reality. Only science would.

    • Neil Kelly
      Neil Kelly

      Why do you think he would have to visit us during lucid dreams? Genuine question

  • Dewyu Nohmi
    Dewyu Nohmi

    Who won?

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      Referee stopped fight in the 12th round with Craig on the canvas.

  • Pratapvarma Raja
    Pratapvarma Raja

    "Ekam sath vipra bahudha vadanthi. "It is all one, the learned call it by different names, that is all to it. Spread love with no bar attached to it. 🙏

  • Jef Varnadore
    Jef Varnadore

    This person or thing I believe in called god is intrinsically good therefore if he exists then there are moral values and good and evil... this guy seems smart so he has to know he’s playing a semantics game.

  • papa blue
    papa blue

    The scary part is stupid people at the top of the food chain!! Delusional believers!!

  • papa blue
    papa blue

    Which God is he talking about?? Different religions Different Gods! Different writings! Different beliefs!! Sooooo????

  • Justin Humphrey
    Justin Humphrey

    I hate ANTIHOLYSPIRIT

  • Aleyna R
    Aleyna R

    Craig keeps referring to atheism as if it was a religion. My guy, I hate to break it to you... On another note, I haven't been watching for long, but bro, morals come from empathy, which is a complex emotion that humans have thanks to evolution, of course, and more specifically a mutation in our DNA that actually weakens our jaw. This makes more room for the brain to grow, which it clearly has

    • Dewyu Nohmi
      Dewyu Nohmi

      You get str8 to the point. *RESPECT*

  • James Leroy
    James Leroy

    William Lane Craig = master of pointless word salad. All those words for nothing. 😂

    • Dewyu Nohmi
      Dewyu Nohmi

      Lol don't kill him... 😂

  • Jae Moon
    Jae Moon

    You so called atheists are just like those with religion. You both carry faith. Just on different spectrum. Both requires beliefs, but most importantly, FAITH. Everyone needs faith. That is universal.

    • Jae Moon
      Jae Moon

      @Dewyu Nohmi I read it all and I appreciate your time and exchange.

    • Dewyu Nohmi
      Dewyu Nohmi

      @Jae Moon Tip for the future, try to make it a habit to write down what you mean before anyone misinterprets you. (Not implying that I was misinterpreting you.) I know it isn't easy. It's easier to just let people think they know what they don't know. I know it can be fun messing with them without ever losing a battle unless it's one of those days where we do lose because of internal distractions, but, we gotta be clear and straight in what we say, otherwise we are showing that we're lazy. Working on myself on how to forgive and let go. I like getting even, I struggle with anger and vengeance and hatred, I never live my life thinking that I am superior and perfect, quite the contrary, I always give everyone am equal opportunity in the beginning and see them as not crazy just ignorant and worthy of love and attention. Until they f* with me and piss me off when I am minding my own busyness. Learning how to curb that natural darkness. My main problem is how do I know if something is REALLY bad? If it gets me killed, then it is bad. If it harms me, then it is bad. How do I know that name calling and challenging people's beliefs is bad? Why SHOULD I turn the other cheek? People know not what they do, but is that an excuse to take their sh*? I think we have a choice to accept being attacked or perceived negatively and or a choice to love someone. I would rather put people in their place rather than love them, especially if I am not going to ever see them again or not see them often. I am going to correct that which is incorrect. I despise being looked at if we are not best friends, e.t.c. Why? Because people form impressions about the faces they see and can end up thinking they know something about someone else that they don't. Beliefs inform actions. If someone thinks of you in a negative way, they're more likely to treat you negatively. You cannot control what other people think, but you do have control over what they see and hear. Wear a mask; hide your face. They can no longer read your face and misinterpret. Same goes with your voice, make it a deep voice with a voice changer. It doesn't matter if at that point people are mocking you for blocking their ability to know you other than what you allow. No one has the right to start sh* with you. To me it is terroristic to disturb the peace. Anyways... Sorry for ranting. Just being honest about who I am and what I aim to do with my time.

    • Jae Moon
      Jae Moon

      @Dewyu Nohmi but look at what's trending on ALgone. That's the majority. And they want to listen to things that entertains them. Dialogue online has been reduced to trolling or partisan debate. Texting and 2 sentence memes have replaced dialogue. We don't even know how to talk to each other in person. Social standards of human interaction has devolved.

    • Jae Moon
      Jae Moon

      @Dewyu Nohmi "I find that the majority do not know how to speak so others want to listen. " I am guilty of this. So much

    • Jae Moon
      Jae Moon

      @Dewyu Nohmi who chooses what to eat for dinner? Probably the person with stronger will?

  • Jae Moon
    Jae Moon

    You can't prove the absence of a higher power. You need FAITH to believe that a higher power doesn't exist. Just like you need faith to believe in existence of a God.

    • Jae Moon
      Jae Moon

      @Fleisch Wolf you literally said nothing. Besides that I have no point. What conversation is there to have?

    • Fleisch Wolf
      Fleisch Wolf

      @Jae Moon Okay, alright. Quite honestly - you're right. It is that simple for you. I'm so sorry. Since you clearly got all figured out, there's nothing for you to gain anything from conversations like the one I attempted. Now I'm gonna lick my wounds from the intense hurt and offense you so easily recognized by your probably god-given gift of reading my mind.

    • Jae Moon
      Jae Moon

      @Fleisch Wolf your perception is your reality. "Comports with reality " Aligns with your perceptions you mean... So ignorant

    • Jae Moon
      Jae Moon

      @Fleisch Wolf cries of an atheist, "I DIDN'T HEAR NO TREES FALLING. THEREFORE I BELIEVE NO TREES FELL!"

    • Jae Moon
      Jae Moon

      @Fleisch Wolf those of you who BELIEVE there is no higher power. Aka atheists, requires faith. Because you cannot prove the absence. It's that simple.

  • Natius Oliver
    Natius Oliver

    What God Is? Consciousness!

    • Dewyu Nohmi
      Dewyu Nohmi

      *Electricity is the primary materia of consciousness.*

  • bekanav
    bekanav

    Actually all claims about "God" are just misuse of language. Questions if "God" exists or if he(?) is good or evil are not interesting but mindless, lacking sense. Religious claims don't deserve to be answered, only ignored

  • martin T landers
    martin T landers

    Harris wins WINS !!!

  • Jack Myers
    Jack Myers

    Did anyone else skip over the Craig dialogue and just listen to Sam? Theists are so fuggen boring!!

  • Metin Kirec
    Metin Kirec

    atheist what a joke

  • Kody Lee
    Kody Lee

    And god brought us Darwin, sir. I know there’s an afterlife but you may friend are preaching oppression and one big fallacy.

    • Kody Lee
      Kody Lee

      @Oldtinear they just get it wrong. Bible tells us to test the spirits but Christian theologians skipped that in bible class. Presumably the pope has lied but I also think there’s elitism with the atheist point of view so idk!

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      @Kody Lee So you have no details to give us about your claimed 'oppression'. Is it a similar waste of time to ask what your 'one big fallacy' is?

    • Kody Lee
      Kody Lee

      @Oldtinear bigger picture thinking I guess.

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      Who is 'preaching oppression'? What did they say that was oppression? Who were the oppressed?

  • Jens Kruse
    Jens Kruse

    Is true evil if you are so intelligent like Craig must be and stil choose to lie, just to....I asume make money.

  • Eric Christopher
    Eric Christopher

    Poor Harris if only he knew that no angels await him, only worms and maggots that can't wait on buffet time

    • λ
      λ

      Well, if he is incinerated, then no worms can eat his flesh.

    • Jack Myers
      Jack Myers

      No one knows bud, but chances are the same fate awaits us all. Some just choose to believe in fantasy while others choose to live in reality.

  • Oldtinear
    Oldtinear

    Rape damages the well-being of the victim, so it is a bad act on Harris's morality. Craig's Bible actually has a morally disgusting approach to rape - the victim is to be stoned to death: 'If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbour's wife.' Deuteronomy 22:23-24

  • Zac M
    Zac M

    Classic modern liberal at 1:50:00. No class.

  • Zac M
    Zac M

    Harris: Arguments from emotion Craig: Arguments from evidence

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      Please name a piece of evidence that Craig used to support his claims.

  • Darwinist delusions
    Darwinist delusions

    Atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning... C.S. Lewis

    • Will Thorpe
      Will Thorpe

      the universe not having meaning does not = we ourselves have no meaning.

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      @Darwinist delusions I am glad we agree. Lewis is prone to coming up with arguments which appeal to his ego, but which, upon examination, contain no rationality.

    • Darwinist delusions
      Darwinist delusions

      @Oldtinear Pure gibberish.

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      Pure gibberish.

  • blabla62871
    blabla62871

    sam was weak this time. one of the worste panels of this kind

    • blabla62871
      blabla62871

      @Oldtinear im anti-theist. all religions are mind cancers

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      Says a believer!

  • Sanchez S.Hart
    Sanchez S.Hart

    I hate this attaching morals to god as if it didnt slaughter countless innocent babies in floods and fires and blah blah blah it goes on for ever. But apparently god makes us good people. Where but those without cannot be. Ive been asked so many times if im christian because of how i act and treat people, thinking someone thus nice HAS to be christian.... or maybe tgey just dont want to be a shitstain of a person. But i dont know. If you NEED god to be a good person then clearly your already a bad one.

    • Sanchez S.Hart
      Sanchez S.Hart

      @mario gonzales no havent usurped anything and i dont hate the whole thing i hate its aspects and dumbing down of people. Easily seen hypocracy, mental and emotional abuse, Countless kiddy fiddlers, every preacher needs money for the church roof but god the teacher and first culprit of every sin in the book is good apparently. It was a book written by people, to control people. How many wars and other fuckries have you heard about. Hell the rapture is meant to also be a time of holy war. Christianity in its current form is a deathcult that spits on its own teaching BY DEFINITION. Believe or go to hell. Says your "god"

    • mario gonzales
      mario gonzales

      @ Sanchez S. Heart, so you hate Christianity so much you’ve usurped their moral values? That’s so unchristian of you.

  • equation
    equation

    so u guys forgot the devil exists?

    • rusiru Sathkalana
      rusiru Sathkalana

      who ?

  • Werner Troicinet
    Werner Troicinet

    What utter nonsense: human welfare is objectively of value because human survival depends largely on the group. Hence it is objectively of value to behave and get along with your neighbours. God is an invention by men to convince those that have not grasped this, that they better behave ‘or god will punish them in the afterlife’. This speaker has the intellectual integrity of a asparagus. I know, unkind to the vegetable. And I do not mean that guy.

    • λ
      λ

      @Brad Vincent Hmm. So, you judge yourself to be knowledgeable regarding the issue of God's existence? Can I ask you some questions about theism? Thanks.

    • Werner Troicinet
      Werner Troicinet

      @Brad Vincent In addition: if God is the source of morality, he sure is a fickle one. Read the old testament. He was pretty ok with rape, murder and pillage of people of any gender or age. As long as they were not his worshippers. What kind of source for the definition of good/evil is that? It makes no sense. Unless that definition is made by humans, in their time and age and with their worldview.

    • Werner Troicinet
      Werner Troicinet

      @Brad Vincent Ok, why is what the nazis did evil then? The speaker states it is evil. Than states that it is objectively evil because it would be evil wether the nazis believed it or not. Then says that since that evil or good exists outside of the human psyche, is begs for an external source for its definition. Circular reasoning.

    • Brad Vincent
      Brad Vincent

      You are using the word “objective” in a completely different way than WLC. You are either ignorant of the English language or purposefully doing this, I’m not sure which. In case you are willing to learn, objective means “independent of human thought”. Basically you can just push your own question back: why is it objectively GOOD to seek human survival? If it’s just your opinion that it’s good, fine. But then morality is just an opinion of how to survive. Rape wouldn’t really be wrong on this view, it would just be disadvantageous to survival.

  • Capt Fantastic
    Capt Fantastic

    Harris schooled Craig on common sense. Sadly, Craig is incorrigibly religious.

  • Nik Westphal
    Nik Westphal

    I didn't believe in god before this debate. After listening to this debate, I'm 100% sure there is No god

    • λ
      λ

      @WildWarrior Besides the moral argument, do you have any *actual* objective evidence to warrant your belief in God?

    • Gene O'Brien
      Gene O'Brien

      @mario gonzales And that book would be The Origin of the Species, right?

    • WildWarrior
      WildWarrior

      Craig exposed his moral view as insufficient in providing objective moral values and duties so how exactly did that strengthen your disbelief?

    • Bereket Belay
      Bereket Belay

      @mario gonzales life on earth came from a book?

    • mario gonzales
      mario gonzales

      @Bereket Belay only one book has the answers.

  • Apryl Van Ryn
    Apryl Van Ryn

    Dear mr. Lane Craig, just because you don't like the answer to a question doesn't mean it isn't right. "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you" -Niel degrass Tyson

    • λ
      λ

      @Apryl Van Ryn The fact that you derive your knowledge from Tyson already excludes you from the adult table.

    • Apryl Van Ryn
      Apryl Van Ryn

      Oh my various gods, I would need half the space in ALgone's servers to explain everything wrong with Craig's opening statement alone.

  • Apryl Van Ryn
    Apryl Van Ryn

    So nazis, genital mutilation, misidentification of what an objective moral values are, no understanding how morals are an evolutionary response... I just need abomination and I got a bingo

  • Todd Higgins
    Todd Higgins

    If it’s good it’s of God D Evil is of the Devil Common sense isn’t common anymore

    • Todd Higgins
      Todd Higgins

      Master Debaters listen only to reply and confuse Opinions for facts

  • Kenneth Matthews
    Kenneth Matthews

    The world order of MAAT. Objective moral values waaaaay before the existence of your god

  • Itumeleng Lepota
    Itumeleng Lepota

    I'm watching this for the second time and Sam Harris has completely dropped the ball. At least he made the crowd laugh a bit.

  • Fritz Gaston
    Fritz Gaston

    1:50:50. Lol sam harris just approved that question. 🤣

  • Fritz Gaston
    Fritz Gaston

    Dr.Harris is a genius. Damn

  • Howard Drake
    Howard Drake

    Nice debate

  • abrockkalypse
    abrockkalypse

    what i do not understand: religious believe made pplz believe that sacrifice is good, burning witches is good, cursades are good, slavery is oki - so why is the religious guy the one who claims that good comes from god?

  • Bonnie Allen
    Bonnie Allen

    God is the embodiment of good? What about the civilizations he wiped out because they didn't believe in him? How is that different from the Holocaust?

    • Jerry Woo
      Jerry Woo

      I guess you can read the book Dr Craig recommended.

  • Mansoor Ahmad
    Mansoor Ahmad

    Trinity?! Hahah great lie in history

  • mike bennett
    mike bennett

    This is what happens when ur worked and preach truth!! Noone can deny it because it's the foundations of life lol we feel it!! I love this man and am starting my own channel!; Enough is enough!

  • mike bennett
    mike bennett

    I won't comment on God! I don't believe in a guy w a robe but I believe in a source in which all creation came from .. that being said morality is what separates us from lower beings! Control is only maintained if u keep the ppl ignorant of their true potential!!!

  • mike bennett
    mike bennett

    These knowledge Sam is sharing is old old old ancient esoteric knowledge ! It's all been inverted and used to construct the reality we live in now . This knowledge is before written language and is hidden in plain site all in public places.. these sciences are so technical and difficult to understand those that dialed it in were considered sages mystics etc, there is an ancient cosmic knowledge that is a super advanced tech and if one can't comprehend it then it seems magic!! It's all science!! Find more information at secret energy w Sevan bomar!! Find the god/goddess in urself and get on the path of pursuing ur true potential !! Make a living by finding who u are and sharing that exp!! Go get it Fam much love!!

  • Dalibor Weimer
    Dalibor Weimer

    pseudo-scientist suks :)

  • Ксаверий Velakowitz
    Ксаверий Velakowitz

    Extremely frustrating watching Sam Harris today. He’s just a good rhetoric, but his arguments can’t get past the first axioms of Craig’s arguments. He doesn’t even address most of them. This video and his points made more sense when I was in high school.

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      'Harris's arguments can’t get past the first axioms of Craig’s arguments.' Please give an example.

  • Sidekix9o
    Sidekix9o

    He never heard of the mammon ...which is the real problem in this world nd if the collectiv consciousness is takin that path ....ask jesus or the buddha

  • Richard Madsen
    Richard Madsen

    @Sam Harris If "Christians" are nominally subject to biases in favor of The Bible would that make their contextual understanding also biased? If one adopts a context for reading from someone they know is biased is that reading frame possibly biased as well? If a skeptic were aware they could be exercising bias should they attempt to defeat that? How are you defeating the "Christian" reading frame you have adopted? Did you look for coherence from within the stories or reject The Bible based in rejecting a biased interpretation? Did you look for consistency in your reading frame so you are not switching context as you like or did you adopt dogmatic contextual understanding that is incoherent in The Bible as a "Christian" does? Did you use the definitions of key words in The Bible provided by The Bible, such as "Waters", "Stone" and "Sword" or did you adopt the prejudice and hatred through tribalism that the Abrahamic religious practitioners believe? If you are still locked-into those prejudice teachings that you know are false I would recommend thinking about your logical faculties and possibly consider if there may be some reason you would prefer a Bible that cannot be coherent, correspondent to reality and morally upright. Could it be you have accepted a strawman and now find that a comforting pillow? richardcurtismadsen@gmail Peace.

  • Mashrur Wahid
    Mashrur Wahid

    This sounds more like Morality debate rather than a god debate

    • JackDuba
      JackDuba

      Thats what he said from the beginning. "This is not a debate about whether or not God exists"

  • Kevin Ratay
    Kevin Ratay

    People impose these obligations. Sadly most of them are predicated by religion, like rape and assault being different. We eat and reproduce. Why don't we eat in private like sex? Because we say so.

    • Kevin Ratay
      Kevin Ratay

      @Mike TracyThen God is an idiot.

    • Mike Tracy
      Mike Tracy

      Because God said so..and you have no room to gamble

  • James Anagnos
    James Anagnos

    There is no God , foolio

  • M Q
    M Q

    Craig should be embarrassed at his ignorance and strawman arguments

  • Chesh Da Gamer
    Chesh Da Gamer

    So does Dr Craig ever defend christianity? Dudes basically a diest lmao

  • Hayden Richards
    Hayden Richards

    The more I listen the more I become afraid of what is to become of us All under religions & All the prophecies & revelations thereunder.. The theist seem "Hellbent" on fulfilling all their fatalistic prophecies.😎

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      'thereunder'?

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