The God Debate II: Harris vs. Craig
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The second annual God Debate features atheist neuroscientist Sam Harris and Evangelical Christian apologist William Lane Craig as they debate the topic: "Is Good From God?" The debate was sponsored in large part by the Notre Dame College of Arts and Letters: The Henkels Lecturer Series, The Center for Philosophy of Religion and the Institute for Scholarship in the Liberal Arts.

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  • Adam Wilson
    Adam Wilson

    This is almost the same argument almost verbatim that he had against Christopher hitchens like 10 years ago

  • Ja Xue
    Ja Xue

    Pongan más videos de porno es lo que más estusiasma.

  • A H
    A H

    1:10:11 'here goes..."objective moral value".

  • A H
    A H

    I applaud the debates that happened (if any ) in the 90s. You can't tell me all existence wasn't questioned after 9/11. Oh and Koresh abused trust and morality.

  • A H
    A H

    I measure up against both. But also the amount of times he says "object moral value" in the same Tone.

  • Marvellus Lucass
    Marvellus Lucass

    Craig sounds like an idiot.

  • sam perry
    sam perry

    Only the fool says in his heart there is no God

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      ... the wise man shouts it from the rooftops!

  • sam perry
    sam perry

    Humble yourselves at the foot of the cross at what he did for humanity.

  • sam perry
    sam perry

    We are all wicked sinners in a wicked world. Living in a creation denying the creator. Jesus laid his life down for me, I lay my life down for him and the cares of this world is over. Can’t wait til he comes back with vengeance on this wicked place.

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      'Can’t wait til he comes back with vengeance on this wicked place.' A lovely Christian thought! You can't wait to see your fellow man suffer!

  • Maa'Quchii
    Maa'Quchii

    bruh... craigs entire opening statement.. these people just cant conceive the idea of a premise that doesn't dictate god... all the damn hypnotically this man laid out in his opening 20min statement xb its even bad that.. he build a premise that if god actually doesnt exist.. there can be zero morality.. xb its sad they just cant accept the idea that yes.. we could have evolved in away like that bee hive scenerio.. where women killed their sons and killed their fertile daughters.. BUTT WE DIDNT.. we happened to be mammals.. its sad.. its like he's are trying to play the moral high ground here.. "well my world view makes us very kind and morale" as if being KIND = reality.. all the while.. christians still can explain the morality of eve eating a fruit and god CURSING HER SEXUAL ORGANS with child and labor pains.. which by the way lead to massive death of both mother and child.. explain that..? how is that morale...? whats good about that..? all women had to suffer that faith.. its was so bad its was responsible for the so much infant deaths.. human average age was 30years.. human life expectancy has always been about 80years... from 80 to 30 years all cause of mass infant deaths due to this fking "curse" ya'll christians need to explain why GOD IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.. he placed the curse.. not eve... so wtf..?

  • Juan Fernando Montes
    Juan Fernando Montes

    Harris always crushes his religious rivals. He feels like he’s beating on a dead horse.

  • fishouttawtr
    fishouttawtr

    Clearly, Harris is a coward!!! He characterizes the Bible with the knowledge and understanding of a kindergartener!!!

  • Lo Soi
    Lo Soi

    Perfect.

  • thamir yousif
    thamir yousif

    is this same as KAMALA HARRIS?FIGURES

  • Chu Lam
    Chu Lam

    Yang milih allah like 800 ya yang milih dajal abaikan saja.

  • Marvellus Lucass
    Marvellus Lucass

    Historical fact , about who ? Jesus. Where is the facts other then the Bible ?

    • Jaasiel Uriarte
      Jaasiel Uriarte

      @Oldtinear the gospels were written by the disciples of Jesus who were eye witnesses. They were written in a time where the gospels were able to be spread more. That's why the gospels were written in Greek, because that time is when the Greek language started spreading and becoming prominent.

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      @Jaasiel Uriarte The Gospels were written in the third person, not as eye-witness accounts. They were written 60-110 years after Jesus died. Again, not a word about Jesus was written while he was alive.

    • Jaasiel Uriarte
      Jaasiel Uriarte

      @Oldtinear there are actual eye witnesses and that's why every historian knows Jesus was a real person

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      @Jaasiel Uriarte Not a word was written about Jesus while he was alive. Your writers are writing decades after he died. They are not eye witnesses to anything.

    • Jaasiel Uriarte
      Jaasiel Uriarte

      Tacitus writings, lucian, josephus, Babylonia Talmud and Pliny the younger. All these writings are about Jesus outside of the Bible. Why do you think all historians know Jesus is a real person...

  • Idris Said
    Idris Said

    Only the blind go for this type of debate. It is nothing but verbiage. Endless word gymnastics. The true knowledge has no words to describe God.

  • SonjasSermonettes
    SonjasSermonettes

    Whatever one believes is an option . I believe not because of religion but what I have found works for me. What is the use in trying to convince there is or is not a God, if one will not even try a personal experience ? Let people find their own way.

  • Edmond Dantes
    Edmond Dantes

    "I hate to break this to you... but Christianity is a cult of human sacrifice..." My cross is my salvation... ".. well, it didn't save the guy nailed to the cross..."

    • Jaasiel Uriarte
      Jaasiel Uriarte

      Maybe because the guy nailed to the cross wanted to be nailed to the cross...🤦

  • NewtonDynamics
    NewtonDynamics

    This William lane Craig is the most dishonest appologist i have ever known. His arguments reduces to God is whatever he wants it to be ignoring all the Bible atrocities.

    • Jaasiel Uriarte
      Jaasiel Uriarte

      What do you consider bible atrocities? And what moral standard are you using to call them atrocities?

  • D J
    D J

    BACK TO REALITY 🤥😜🤪🤯

  • D F
    D F

    This non believer needs to be dragged out side made look up at the sky and ask what is happening up there and how come every thing spoken in that bible is played out

  • D J
    D J

    THE SCHOOL OF IDIOCY THEOLOGY RUN BY THE COMMITTEE OF BUFFOONERY 🦇💩😷💉 🙏📖🇺🇸

  • Me And You
    Me And You

    Boring...😥

  • Lachlan Fanning
    Lachlan Fanning

    I disagree with both of them, believing that morals are subjective. Examples like genital mutilation (funnily enough agreed upon by both Christian and atheist to be bad, despite genital mutilation being endorsed in the Christian's favourite book) are significant extremes designed to poison the well and distract from the instances where it truly does vary.

  • Ta Von
    Ta Von

    0:33x.

  • AngelOne11
    AngelOne11

    Oh Oh Oh, Craig, Islam says Jesus was crucified but didn't die on the cross. God lifted his spirit up to heaven while his body was on the cross. I dislike it when people speak in things they say they studied but they are actually lying or maybe forgetting what they studied.

    • AngelOne11
      AngelOne11

      @Jaasiel Uriarte I googled this and found out many sources are incorrect on the interpretation of the Quranic verse to English. They are mostly Christians trying to interpret the Quran. They don't speak Arabic nor they know how to interpret the Quran. Now I know why many think that's what Muslims believe.

    • Jaasiel Uriarte
      Jaasiel Uriarte

      @AngelOne11 no dude...they deny that Jesus was crucified. They believe that another man was crucified in his place and made him look like it was Jesus who was crucified.

    • AngelOne11
      AngelOne11

      @Jaasiel Uriarte The act of the Crusification happened. They don't deny that; however, God saved Jesus by lifting him up to the heavens and made the Jews believe they actually killed him.

    • Jaasiel Uriarte
      Jaasiel Uriarte

      No...Islam says he wasn't crucified. They say he was actually replaced by someone made to look like Jesus 🤦

  • AngelOne11
    AngelOne11

    Buddhism has been there before all the 3 major religions in the world. Buddhism has no God or prophets. It is probably the most moral philosophy out there. This is coming from someone who is not a Buddhist, however, studied Buddhism, Christianity, Wicca, and Islam.

  • Flat Earth Facts v's Brainwashed mathdebaters
    Flat Earth Facts v's Brainwashed mathdebaters

    A friend of the world is not a friend of mine .. Jesus says...

  • Khajiit. Exe
    Khajiit. Exe

    That would b great if a burning thing with lot’s of eyes and wings would just crash through the ceiling

  • Va Nhu
    Va Nhu

    Roses are red violets are blue if you give a like God will forgive you 0:22xx.

  • Vera Rose
    Vera Rose

    Harris is just babbling and jumping from one lie to another about God and Christianity.

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      Name one of these lies. Quote his words.

  • Ryu Fue
    Ryu Fue

    Superb.

  • Eye On The Sky
    Eye On The Sky

    The fool says in his heart “There is no God” it is written!!! This guy will have a personal encounter with The Lord soon and he will turn around and write a great book..I pray The Holy Spirit guides him to save more lost souls just as He did with Paul who in his times was responsible for the persecution of the first “church” and many murders..but The Love and Grace of The Lord saved him..and He used him for His Kingdom 🔥🕊👑🔥🤺⚔️

  • Rohit datta
    Rohit datta

    P

  • skantiloak
    skantiloak

    isnt notre dame a catholic university?

  • Mark Roberts
    Mark Roberts

    Educated idiot.

  • Elizabeth C
    Elizabeth C

    "God is the greatest" Greatest at hide and seek.

    • soldado23
      soldado23

      @Oldtinear the math of: Nothing Comes from Nowhere......where does the 2 comes from? When you add 1 + 1=2

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      @soldado23 What maths?

    • soldado23
      soldado23

      Mmmm hide and seek has been always played by humans. The Creator is available as long as you are willing and humble to seek for him. Simple math.

  • C A
    C A

    Basically funded by all the anti god groups undermining and subverting our basic human rights granted to us by god not a privilege granted as those who want to play god

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      What basic human right do you think is being subverted? Did Harris say he wants churches closed? Thought not!

  • Bruce Anderson
    Bruce Anderson

    A fool says in his heart that there is no God! Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Not understanding the Lord, but fear! I feel sorry for you..

    • Entique
      Entique

      @Skul304 - ummm, idk what you’re asking, but I’m getting at what you said about not being able to prove God. First of all, I can say the exact samething about athiesm, and even Christopher Hitchens knew that was true, but also that there is evidence for God. There is evidence of the resurrection of Jesus, there is historical biblical evidence, archeological evidence, especially that kind of supporting evidence for Sodom and Gomorrah. So although I cannot say “yes I can see God in the sky right now!” It doesn’t mean that God doesn’t exist. Not only that, but Harris loves to point out how “we evolved to be moral.” With all this time we’ve been on earth, we haven’t changed, and according to most athiests it’s at least 100,000 years that homo sapiens have been on earth. Not only that, but much longer considering evolutionaru processes. Why do we still steal? Why do we still kill? Rape? Why are we still violent? This either makes our evolutionary instincts untrustworthy, which they are already anyway as Darwin himself said, or this is just wrong. At best, athiesm allows people to be moderately good. At worst, athiesm allows us to live exactly how we want, because of the lack of objective moral values, which Christoper Hitchens and Harris both agreed to. Harris agreed to it indirectly, saying “morality is a social construct.” Not only that, but answer me this question: evolution via natural selection is where we evolve to survive in our environment. You know that I assume. Look at every creature, they’re all extremely different, but in their most basic concepts of function, they are almost all similar. When you look at animals, for example, you see different types of animals, but they all breathe, eat, reproduce, etc. On this topic, when you look at two monkeys for example, assume one is a female and the other a male. You see how you can barely identify which one is which, except by their physical anatomy downstairs (idk how to put it otherwise), they look virtually the same, which would be adequate and acceptable considering they evolved only to survive, getting better and more distinct looks would not help them survive. As for humans, you immediately by the face of people can recognize the gender of the person, male or female. A man has a maculine face, and a female a completely different, obviously feminine face, not to mention the differences in general body shape and design if one wants to say. As for animals, sure, some animals have slightly different physical and obvious features when male or female, but it is a lot harder to distinguish than that of humans. All other living things are like this, except for humans. Macro evolution works only to help you survive: have not animals gone through this process? They have small features at most between male and female, but humans are different by far, immediately you recognize a man or woman as who they are. Not only that, but things like the Adams Apple? How does that help us survive? Does it not just make the voice of men more different than that of a woman? Why do we need it? I hope I made my implication well, but if you haven’t gotten the gist, here it is: if you don’t believe in God, you most likely believe in macro evolution, and if macro evolution is true, why do we have things that no other animal has? More specifically, why do we have things that don’t help us survive? That’s why we need gene mutations (evolution or to evolve), to survive, and if it’s not for that, why do we have things today they help us socially, like being able to identify the gender of a person using their voice or face, rather than pure survival? Every other animal is the same except for humans, and what a coincidence it is that the creatures the Bible calls “made in the image of God” are the ones that seem to have the best features, and logical features, desgined not only for survival, but for life. Consider the moon, we need it, it helps balance the oceans, it provides light, etc. If you really don’t know, the moon is very necessary. Look at all the other planets, they either have no moon, or they have several moons, which just isn’t as good as ONE moon specifically. Look at how the earth is at the perfect distance from the sun, and to sink that in better here: the north and south poles of the earth are both extrememly cold, notice how little difference that is, just a few thousand miles down or up, which on a universal scale would be even smaller, just a few thousand miles on a sphere up or down causes unsurvivable conditions, except for penguins, sue me. See how specific that has to be. Look at the food chain of animals, how they all kind have to be there for the food chain to exist, which inturn itself holds animal, all the way up to human life. Every animal needs it’s food, and removing it’s food removes it, and in doing so, that can and often does remove of hurt another animal. Evolution assumes that animals were AMAZING AND INDESTRUCTIBLE, and that they either survived the early stages of existence and the earth with no food, water, oxygen, or help of anykind, or that assuming they were bacteria, that the same thing happened because there’s still no water, oxygen, and certainly not food. Wow how great! Ik Now let’s leave fiary land and go the the real world where it that were true, no life would exist, because life has to have the necessary componenets, well, for itself, for life. Without them there is no life. This the basic concept of irreduisvle complexity, along with many other ways to show it. Point is, you can’t say that thiesm can’t be proven true, if not only I can say the exact same thing about athiesm, but also if thiesm has evidence for itself anyway. Learn about the Bible, watch these debates, it’s good that you’re on then, because if you are wrong about God, there is fire waiting for you. That isn’t a threat, it’s wisdom, quite literally it is.

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      @Entique 'if it wasn’t for fear of God, we could do virtually anything' This is a ludicrous claim. I have been an atheist for fifty years. During that time I have murdered nobody, committed no adultery, raped nobody, and robbed nobody. Most atheists would say the same. If it is only fear of God that stops you raping and killing, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

    • Entique
      Entique

      @Oldtinear - the word fear is used, but it’a more specific than that, with reasoning behind it. If you learn about God for example, especially in the times of Moses or Jesus, and someone told you that you needed to repent and obey God, you would find it funny and walk away. But when God makes the decision to obey him more important, by punishing those who disobey him, we now have a reason to obey him. And if we obey him in Christ, ae have reconciliation with him. If you don’t t know why this is the only way this can be done with serious effect, then idk where you’re lost because if it wasn’t for fear of God, we could do virtually anything. And honestly, if you get mad at the fear of God, or make fun of it, you are making fun of the reason that causes people to do the right things, which range from not being sexually immoral, all the way to not murdering, stealing, etc. So before you reply, make sure you understand the reverance one has to have for God, and if you do reply, please I beg you don’t reply ignorantly

    • Oldtinear
      Oldtinear

      So your beliefs are based on fear?

    • Skul304
      Skul304

      @Entique Which god

  • Rock Desert Sun
    Rock Desert Sun

    I see the events unfolding on Earth, on track for what is prophesied, especially the Scam-Plannedemic here in 2020; the Covid World Order is taking shape, Lockdowns Making the Earth a Virtual Prison Planet, the "ONLY FINAL SOLUTION" to this Engineered "Crisis" about a "Virus" likely engineered in a lab in Wuhan, China, according to Bill The "Gates" of Hell, Is A Rather Dubious Vaccine which would be injected into EVERY PERSON ON EARTH, and leave an IDENTIFYING MARK ... Bill Gates also happens to have significant investments in VACCINE PRODUCING PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES!! He calls it "The Amazing Vaccine!" of course he would... Suddenly large corporations like Qantas Airlines are saying "You ARE NOT FLYING ANYWHERE Without Proof Of Vaccination!" Or Ticketmaster "No Concerts UNLESS YOU HAVE PROOF OF VAXX!" Do you see where this is going.....? You won't be allowed to BUY OR SELL - WITHOUT That, um....MARK!!! You can't escape it! You cannot REMOVE IT FROM YOUR SKIN OR BODY.....Once it's in you, IT'S IN YOU! FINAL!!! The only escape offered from this Nightmare World literally filled with Technotyrannts seeking to *PATENT* EVERY LIVING THING, Especially YOU, IS "THE GREAT RESET" Planned by Evil "Cartoon" like Characters like Klaus Schwab! This is also making these Global Corporate ENTITIES (And Not Just the one's you can 'see'). Get increased BUSINESS because they are financially rigging the system through these Orwellian "COVID LAWS" to COLLAPSE & END SMALL BUSINESSES! Just look at what happened to a small BBQ restaurant owner in Toronto, Adam Skelly! But the informed people ARE FIGHTING BACK! CHEERS!

  • Ron Smith
    Ron Smith

    God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipresent which reasons evil exists because God allows it to exist. If there is no God how could evil exist as Love would have no antithesis. Seems foolish to think we would get so off track from every other creature on Earth just simply based on intellect. Isn’t this completely opposite of a balanced Universe, and the crux of that anomaly is humans.

  • Brooklyn Avenue
    Brooklyn Avenue

    1:06:30 Just listen here then turn this off. Craig's a lunatic.

  • Thu Nhu
    Thu Nhu

    I love this movie.

  • Hummingbird Bumblebee
    Hummingbird Bumblebee

    Morality is to explain to all of us that we are electrical holograms that never die. How many atoms do you consist of ? 7 billion billion billion. Physicists say atoms vibrate/spin as positive and negative poles like batteries. What spins/vibrates the energy that these atoms spin AS? They start out as waves of energy and light. Many books say our electrical/holographic souls are constantly creating us with these waves of energy and light. It takes a lot of planning to bunch up those waves into the subatomic particles we are. From the book "The Quantum World" written by the physicist Kenneth Ford, are these words: 'magically bursting forth are quarks spinning billions of times a second as 3 points of light forming protons and neutrons". 3 points of light are becoming us, which must mean they are the images creating our images. Sounds like the trinity to me. We are constantly being created as these quarks burst forth as the purposes we all have, which is to know that our souls ARE these quarks as they spin/vibrate us into existence. We are the literal bodies of these souls. Seems like to me that we have always been eternal energy and light just like existence, which is a holographic electrical grid which is the body of what people call God. Where do you think electricity comes from? We are literally using energized consciousness to fuel our vehicles and computers and bodies. What is called spirit is actually electrical. All that space said to be the atom is electrical. There is no space. We breathe and walk and talk as this energy. We are literally magical. We are saturated and immersed within this electrical consciousness. No physicist could ever create one of us on earth. How would anyone know how to take a wave and then spin it billions of times a second into a point of light and THEN cause this light to become protons and neutrons that THEN become all the miles and miles of blood vessels we consist of? There is nobody on earth that could do that.

  • zzr601 zx140
    zzr601 zx140

    i can still hear Craig say "moral values and duties" in my head after watching this

    • Rxd Rxd
      Rxd Rxd

      Lol. Craig's favorite phrase

    • Namdevrao Ghagre
      Namdevrao Ghagre

      9

  • Op Mai
    Op Mai

    HOT SEX 18+

  • bbm
    bbm

    As if God came to chat young idiot about homosexuality and God agreeing with it total blasphemy and disrespectful. Glad they shut him down.

  • Vao Loi
    Vao Loi

    A la verga.

  • HAMIN works
    HAMIN works

    b

  • Eunwoo Lee
    Eunwoo Lee

    churches worship service today’s Sunday time 28:00 PM minutes hours issue wouldn’t have been more than an update to fix electronic part attached with the update must have been inline sluggish past use doesn’t seem like morning palm or moribund extra work pics until limited knowledge attached too many words to be able to use the same page

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      Eunwoo Lee

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  • shannon salerno
    shannon salerno

    GOD IS!!!! no debate

  • Ashton Gilmore
    Ashton Gilmore

    Ahem, whose God? Objective morals and values change drastically based on whose book you read and when in time you read it.

    • Ashton Gilmore
      Ashton Gilmore

      @Sealer touche

    • Sealer
      Sealer

      Whose

  • Nobody
    Nobody

    Moral law was not given by god, moral law is for heard management. Similar to traffic law's. The strongest people in nature determine the rules for the masses. And those rules exist to protect them from the masses. Any way that's my two cents, I really like these debates because they force you to think.

  • The Truth Doctor
    The Truth Doctor

    Harris reveals some problems in some religions, but does not disprove the existence God as the source of objective morality.

    • Sealer
      Sealer

      In fact, Harris' response to that question is quite strong and should have been in his rebuttal.

    • Sealer
      Sealer

      The problem of evil shouldn't had been brought up at all, while i like the delivery it was way besides the point. He should have focused more on mind and consciousness being necessary for morality to even make any sense. The 2nd question from Q&A hits the nail on the head. Craig's argument (in the absence of god, i cant see where objective morality should come from) is fallacious.

  • Noi Thu
    Noi Thu

    xxxx

  • Tra Nhu
    Tra Nhu

    Omg.

  • Skip Bo
    Skip Bo

    They're both right. God gives us good but good things also come to us naturally. For example if we saw a car about to hit a person we were standing next to, our natural inclination is to pull her out of the way or yell, "watch out!" For example likewise, our belief in God helps to unlovable people or to forgive.

  • The Truth Doctor
    The Truth Doctor

    I’d love to see a debate where one debater persuades, convinces, and turns the other one.

  • Joshlyn Greever
    Joshlyn Greever

    I just said a prayer for you my brother. "May You come to believe in God before your life ends here, so that you may be granted another in the here after. I wish you well. Please consider getting yourself the best life insurance policy that's completely free dear friend.

    • soldado23
      soldado23

      @Nikki Travis forcing? Do you even know what forcing is? Your interpretation of forcing is weak. Go back in time and learn about forcing. Unbelieveable

    • Nikki Travis
      Nikki Travis

      Most atheists left the hollowness of belief. Why return to something that isnt working for them. If you believe, great for you. As for we atheists we are fine. As for praying for us that is an act of forcing your beliefs/ideology upon others, how "christian" of you... , Well we won't tell anyone you spend hours of your life talking to thin air. They put people away for that you know. As my southern grandmother would say, Bless your heart.

  • Toni Johnson
    Toni Johnson

    Hoping you seek and find God when he can be found

    • Richie minver
      Richie minver

      Why is he always hiding?

  • Julia Abadi
    Julia Abadi

    I know it is childish, but every time Mr Craig says "doodies" it makes me laugh.

    • Edmond Dantes
      Edmond Dantes

      Thanks for making me hyper-aware of Craig's fondness for "doodies". It is funny.

    • lea
      lea

      Not me reading this exactly as he says it for the fist few time lmaoo

  • Francisco Rabon
    Francisco Rabon

    Romans 10: 2-4, 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

  • John Thomas
    John Thomas

    Sounded like they were having completely different debates lol

    • AngelOne11
      AngelOne11

      I totally agree with you. I was very confused and disappointed by Harris's replies. It almost sounded like they were lectures given by 2 different people while pretending they were debating one another!

  • John Thomas
    John Thomas

    Welp, that intro was anticlimactic.

  • Lau Da
    Lau Da

    Yang milih Allah SWT like.

  • Johnny Wishbone
    Johnny Wishbone

    ✝️for the win!!

  • Ralf Pack
    Ralf Pack

    Well... At the end of the day, there's really one question worthy of discussion: is there in the world, whatever the culture and language, any mentally sound people who could argue, by reading the Gospel, that Jesus-Christ could, somehow, being considered as anything but pure, objective, aboslute, indisputable transcendant Good? Though I'm catholic, I think, as a lucid and rational person, that you couldn't find anyone on this planet to argue with that with any valid argument... And if Sam Harris had ever read with a minimum of honesty and objectivity the Gospel, even he couldn't find (and he actually never does) anything to support the idea that Jesus-Christ isn't absolutely, undeniably, utlimately GOOD.

  • Ralf Pack
    Ralf Pack

    M. Harris.. You keep bringing that example of "putting your hand on a burning stone is an objective reality, experience of pain" and so this is being easy to consider as "bad" and "not desirable", and that humanity can easily agree that as starting point to what "bad" is and from what we can all easily get away from.. Well, then what if I'm burning my hand in order to save my child? Is is still "objectively bad" and morally indesirable...? Come on...

    • Sealer
      Sealer

      On the other hand it's hard to argue that suffering with no good goal/outcome is pointless and should be avoided.

    • Sealer
      Sealer

      In that case your end goal is saving your child's life, which is clearly sparing your child from enormous suffering. Surely you can think one step ahead.

  • Ralf Pack
    Ralf Pack

    One simple question for you M. Harris, about this poor concept of "well being" and the response you gave late to one spectator in the debate saying that "love" is basically always the friend of "well being": Then, what if in the name of love, for my wife, my son, my mother, whatever, I need to sacrifice myself in any way, puttin' me in a situation of pain or even death in order to save the person I love...? I can't really believe the idea of sacrifice fo the loved ones doesn't belong to your atheist ethic, right? So how then reconcile moral value, moral duty, love with "well being" exactly? How does this ultimate goal of yours of "well being" can be justified as long it's obvious for me, catholic, as for you atheist, that our moral duty can easily, and I'd say often command us to sacrifice a legitimate part, even go against "well being"...? I mean, it's just ridiculous.. And it's not even a conceptual discussion; just look at our lives, look at history: how many times we need to sacrifiy our present well being, or risking our life by accomplishing our "moral duties", by acting in the name of love...? I can't believe M. Harris you can honestly think even one second that if "well being" was an ultimate moral goal since the beginning of time there would be the smallest possibility in the world we would be here right now, and would be having this debate... Please, be serious now.

  • Larry Long
    Larry Long

    I also notice around 1:23:23. Dr. Harris says that one thing Atheist don't do is take unjustifiable and unjustified claims about the nature of the cosmos or about the divine order of certain books? That is exactly what you have done Dr. Harris. The Bible is not just a certain book. What makes it different? "All Scripture Is Given By Inspiration Of God And Is Profitable For Doctrine, For Reproof, For Correction, For Instruction In Righteousness; That The Man Of God May Be Perfect, Thoroughly Furnished Unto All Good Works." (2nd Timothy 3:16). You say you like to talk to some wise old Yogi's and Tibetan Lama's. And you even call them Spiritual Geniuses? If you found them Spiritual Geniuses then how come you did not become one of them? So. Is this conversation about finding Spiritual Geniuses Or, Finding God who is our creator? Amen.

  • adamspun
    adamspun

    because we CANT know it MUST mean god made it lol. over and over again...

  • Ralf Pack
    Ralf Pack

    Jesus.. How painful it is to listen to this poor Sam Harris... How narrow-minded, how ignorant of what christianity is, how arrogant, how dishonest intellectually he his..! I like the fact he's invested in his vain entreprise and never shy away from these debates (that are formidable ways to expose the pointless atheist "thinking") but man... How can such a very functionnal brain and good person can keep on dispalying so much arrogance and ingratitude for what christianity has brought to our civilisation and without wich Sam Harris couldn't even have a chance to exist and be free to think what he thinks is something I can't explain... I can't believe he does deeply "believe" in what he says...

  • Larry Long
    Larry Long

    Please notice that throughout this debate Dr. Harris keeps calling a belief in in God scientific. Dr. Harris also calls a belief in God Religious depending on certain views he has. Listen to Dr. Harris say that Christianity is not a Religion at 1:08:25 that repudiates human sacrifice. It is a Religion that celebrates a single human sacrifice as though it were affective. First of all we all have "Free Will." Dr. Harris never brings this up? He always put the way our ideas are clearly blamed on God, As if God is the whole problem in every sense about God and his existence? What amazes me about Dr. Harris is when he says "God So Loved The World, That He Gave His Only Begotten Son, That Whosoever Believes In Him Should Not Perish." (John 3:16). Say the whole scripture Dr. Harris, Not just 11 words of the scripture. Notice. If Dr. Harris would have finished the scripture with the last 7 words, He would have a problem. Because the first 11 words is God making a statement but, Dr. Harris, If you only say the first 11 words of the scripture, Then you can add anything you want to the rest. How ever. If you say the first 11 words, And you never finish with "That Whosoever Believes In Him Should Not Perish." That would cause a huge problem for Dr. Harris! It's almost like Dr. Harris believes in God as far as I am concerned. Because why would you only quote 11 words of a scripture that has a total of 19 words? Because if Dr. Harris quotes the whole scripture he can't add to it, There fore he would be guilty of not believing in Christ and not perish. The scripture is pure 100% common sense. Dr. Harris. "God So Loved The World, That He Gave His Only Begotten Son, Why? Because "All Have Sinned And Come Short Of The Glory Of God." (Romans 3:23). Dr. Harris. Why are you fighting your creator? Since we all have Free Will. Dr. Harris is Freely believing what he wants to. What I see here is Dr. Harris taking his Free Will and saying to Christ these words.. Okay Lord. Maybe we are all Sinners but, I don't see myself as one. Therefore I don't believe your Father's book. That is clearly the answer with Dr. Harris. I pray to God that Satan doesn't continue to have Dr. Harris believe one of the biggest lies ever told. Dr. Harris. You have Free Will and you seem like a very intelligent man to me but, Please don't fall for the oldest lie in the world. Which is "The Devil Doesn't Exist.". I have one last thing to say. I can't prove it but, I am almost positive that Dr. Harris hasn't read the Bible. I am not saying you haven't, I just have this thought as I listen to you that you haven't read just The New Testament all the way thru. If I am wrong please forgive me. My greatest prayer is that you don't leave this planet without putting your faith in Christ Jesus. Amen.

  • Richard Rossi
    Richard Rossi

    YOUR CRIMES BY LAWS. IS NOT GOOD. ITS ILLEGAL

  • Ar Chi
    Ar Chi

    Atheists may only be good in this world, but in the hereafter they have nothing but Hell.

  • Ar Chi
    Ar Chi

    Taliban does not represent Islam religion.

  • Ar Chi
    Ar Chi

    As a Muslim, I agree with the first speaker.

  • junitojir
    junitojir

    Harris’s ignorance of scripture and spiritual things is so IMMENSE that it’s embarrassing 🤦🏻‍♂️🙆🏻‍♂️

    • adamspun
      adamspun

      scripture? why do you think that has value? im not being a d ic k im just interested to know. why does it have more value than Islamic death cult scripture for example?

    • Curium
      Curium

      List one.

  • Nathaniel Robinson
    Nathaniel Robinson

    1:11:43 "For example, in response to my claim that if god exists then objective moral values exist, we heard that I haven't truly offered an alternative to his view because the goal on[sic] theism is to avoid hell. Honestly, that just simply shows how poorly Sam Harris understands Christianity. You don't believe in god to avoid going to hell! Belief in god isn't some kind of fire insurance! You believe in god because god as the supreme good *is* the appropriate object of adoration and love. He is goodness itself, to be desired for its own sake. And so the fulfillment of human existence is to be found in relation to god." Um, isn't the New Testament full of threats of hellfire? If you're supposed to love that god just because he's so super awesome, why the constant terrorism if you don't?

  • junitojir
    junitojir

    When Harris fails to prove his incoherent views with all his intellectual and verbal gymnastics. He then like every other atheist can do nothing more than resort to his ignorant criticism of the Bible that he clearly misunderstands and he does it with great ignorance. Harris lost this debate before it started. There’s simply no ultimate moral standard under atheism.

  • Dohn Joe
    Dohn Joe

    The moderator did a great job in being a fascist prick.

  • Ve Chieu
    Ve Chieu

    ya allah plz forgive me stop watching this.

    • Abdul wahid Azam
      Abdul wahid Azam

      Change your pfp for the sake of Allah.

  • VINES & GAMES
    VINES & GAMES

    The second guy basically uses actions of barbaric religions to prove all religions wrong. Which don’t make sense because how can you blame ALL religions on a action that only one specific religion do?.

  • Sammi Fruitbat
    Sammi Fruitbat

    notice how they put teh Christian first then teh athiest, that sets p te athiest to pick apart everything the Christian says, toss a coin and make it equal, this whole thing is set up to favour teh athiest in my opinion.

    • Al ez
      Al ez

      if someone's point can be "torn apart" then there was a clear winner imo.

  • Nhi Thi
    Nhi Thi

    Ingat.... Ada allah....

  • Oliver Parry
    Oliver Parry

    Religious guy responds to an audience question with word to the effect of 'I don't see any moral foundation to atheism, therefore there isn't one, only God can provide the foundation'. 1 - you can't even see your own god so stfu with that logic and 2 - absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence

  • Bianca von Mühlendorf
    Bianca von Mühlendorf

    Excellent- Craig is making the points.

  • Salote Tagicakibau
    Salote Tagicakibau

    Sam Harris is making things up in his head up there! No sense no substance no meaning no logic nothing! "Psalms 14: 1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

  • Patrick Hemus
    Patrick Hemus

    William Lane Craig sounds like a Speak & Spell. Change my mind.

  • Cuo Xhy
    Cuo Xhy

    Poor dog I liked my own commet how sad.

  • Physical Cliff
    Physical Cliff

    Its anyone is harming children, they are Leftist pedophiles who are either atheist or Satanists so don't blame God.

  • Crangon Vulgaris
    Crangon Vulgaris

    Be there God or no God there exists within man's consciousness an ideal, which may be qualified as God or good.

    • Crangon Vulgaris
      Crangon Vulgaris

      @Salote Tagicakibau Is male or female the image of god?

    • Salote Tagicakibau
      Salote Tagicakibau

      "Gen 1:27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." We are made in his image we have his qualities his traits his moral values inbuilt in us.

  • Soaptoaster
    Soaptoaster

    Did anyone notice that Harris actually never really debated anything..he just offered a lecture between WLC's debate speeches. It's like he's never been to a debate before. It was a blowout.

    • John Dodge
      John Dodge

      @Soaptoaster he responded to many of Craig’s points

    • Soaptoaster
      Soaptoaster

      @John Dodge but he couldn't respond to one point that was brought up as WLC went first.

    • John Dodge
      John Dodge

      I’m not sure about how much debate experience you have, but I think the tactic there was to stay on the offensive and make new points dr. Craig had to debate, also he did make rebuttals before going into new ideas.

    • Vespene Protoss
      Vespene Protoss

      It's basically Sam Harris's MO ... he says meaningless drivel like "imagine a society where every 3 child has it's eyes taken out ... that would be bad."

    • Soaptoaster
      Soaptoaster

      @Andrea Siligardi Andrea, your ad hominem attacks indicate sadly, that it is you who have the low IQ.

  • Crangon Vulgaris
    Crangon Vulgaris

    Personal development of love which transcends self is critically why we are here in this 3d spacetime kindergarten. Best model supporting that statement available from Tom Campbell's My Big Toe.

  • Banisoup
    Banisoup

    Wow is this old. Anyways, I thought Craig was making some sense there at the beginning before he started discussing morals. It's such a limp explanation of why god exists simply because there are athiests in this world and their existence simply disproves the theory we need a god to have morals. For some this raises the theory/question: What if athiests are still affected by the god of this universe giving them the same moral compass? Well 2 things. If we're talking about the christian god then god can not touch anything that isn't of the light so that would be false, but regardless if you *know* any athiests they're usually still fairly grounded and do not wish to harm others by going on a rampage or murdering and raping people. There are plenty of religious people who forgive themselves or justify themselves and do these evil acts. 2. When it comes to assuming there is a god giving you a moral compass, there is no evidence for it, athiests do not believe there is a moral compass given by god- at this point it's simply boiled down to beliefs not facts. I think I study the theological debate too often, but to me it's an important discussion. A lot of people do things in the name of god that I personally think are immoral because they harm other people who we can prove (to a better extent than a gods) their existence. Our existence. Parents kicking out their gay kids. Blindly following who the church deems to be the 'god chosen' candidate. Genital mutilation. Child abuse. Abuse victims justifying staying with abusive partners. Men abusing women because many religions teach that women are inferior. I think morals is an extremely important question to ask when discussing religion! But I feel that saying "Morals wouldn't exist if there were no god" neglects the issues we as people face in our daily lives, politics, world issues, geo political issues and so on. If this was a perfect religious world then the only people committing crimes would be either those who have the wrong religion and/or athiests. Since that's not the case, this point falls apart as soon as you start looking around you, which is why I can not continue to watch this debate past 22:47.

  • Jermaine Jermaine
    Jermaine Jermaine

    Rubbish

  • Osman A
    Osman A

    My first comment has been deleted, I don't know why. However, you shouldn't talk about Islam without Muslim representative I think this is unfair.

    • DingFooking Dong
      DingFooking Dong

      Then I assume you would require any Muslim referencing other religions to have a person available to defend that position aswell?

  • Ba Nha
    Ba Nha

    Superb.

  • Uthu Santuhan
    Uthu Santuhan

    Eschatology and Pophecies that came true is where you should dig, as human heart is anti Morality since its inception

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